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		<title>By: ProDigit</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasclark.com/blog/recession-freedom-strategies/mammon-guiding-principles/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>ProDigit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;d be great to have a forum on this site,since lots of the information is very debatable,or just to elaborate on these topics even more.

Originally I would never have found this site;but ever since I moved from Belgium to Hialeah, I needed to find a church, so I typed Apostolic church Florida, and Jonas Clark Ministries was one of them!

I haven&#039;t yet have the chance tovisit you guys,but I believe you have a church near Hollywood FL if I&#039;m right?

If so then perhaps we will visit you guys soon, God willing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;d be great to have a forum on this site,since lots of the information is very debatable,or just to elaborate on these topics even more.</p>
<p>Originally I would never have found this site;but ever since I moved from Belgium to Hialeah, I needed to find a church, so I typed Apostolic church Florida, and Jonas Clark Ministries was one of them!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t yet have the chance tovisit you guys,but I believe you have a church near Hollywood FL if I&#8217;m right?</p>
<p>If so then perhaps we will visit you guys soon, God willing!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 19:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I praise God for the apostles and the prophets sounding the alarm in the marketplace. This article was a real blessing to me and helped me to see the strategies of the kingdom of hell, but I continue to praise God that the gates of hell shall never prevail against me.

I believe in this day and age we need to learn to take over the marketplace and the truth is we have never been taught how to overthrow the wicked systems in the body of Christ so we can only blame ourselves because we have not taken dominion in the marketplaces of our cites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I praise God for the apostles and the prophets sounding the alarm in the marketplace. This article was a real blessing to me and helped me to see the strategies of the kingdom of hell, but I continue to praise God that the gates of hell shall never prevail against me.</p>
<p>I believe in this day and age we need to learn to take over the marketplace and the truth is we have never been taught how to overthrow the wicked systems in the body of Christ so we can only blame ourselves because we have not taken dominion in the marketplaces of our cites.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonas Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonas Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Prodigit,
Your response to this article is outstanding. Every American needs to read what you wrote. European socialism has led to a &quot;nanny State&quot; with faux promises to the people and &quot;excessive taxation.&quot; Al Capone, the United States gangster who terrorized Chicago during prohibition 1899-1947,could have only hoped for such a racket. To work for the State is not biblical! America has enjoyed a measure of prosperity not seen in any other parts of the world becasue of its submission to the King of kings and the Lord of lords. Now becasue of apathy within God&#039;s Church secular humanism is rapidly ceasing the seats of governing authority across our nation. We must remember that our God is a jealous God. He does not want His people looking to others, even our national governments, the United Nations, or others for their source of wisdom and provision. It&#039;s time for Christians to wake up to the evil master plan of a demonic new world oligarchy that wants to enslave all God&#039;s people. Thanks again for your response. If there are any other Europeans reading this blog please let us know what&#039;s happening in your country.
Your partner,
Jonas Clark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Prodigit,<br />
Your response to this article is outstanding. Every American needs to read what you wrote. European socialism has led to a &#8220;nanny State&#8221; with faux promises to the people and &#8220;excessive taxation.&#8221; Al Capone, the United States gangster who terrorized Chicago during prohibition 1899-1947,could have only hoped for such a racket. To work for the State is not biblical! America has enjoyed a measure of prosperity not seen in any other parts of the world becasue of its submission to the King of kings and the Lord of lords. Now becasue of apathy within God&#8217;s Church secular humanism is rapidly ceasing the seats of governing authority across our nation. We must remember that our God is a jealous God. He does not want His people looking to others, even our national governments, the United Nations, or others for their source of wisdom and provision. It&#8217;s time for Christians to wake up to the evil master plan of a demonic new world oligarchy that wants to enslave all God&#8217;s people. Thanks again for your response. If there are any other Europeans reading this blog please let us know what&#8217;s happening in your country.<br />
Your partner,<br />
Jonas Clark</p>
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		<title>By: ProDigit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProDigit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting!
A lot we don&#039;t know about.
I see the kingdom of God misses business men and women.

We&#039;re not so bad in US. 16% taxes, a part on our wage, some on whatever we buy in the store. the total should be around 30-40% no?

In Belgium they have tax levels. High incomes are taxed higher than low incomes.
Based on your income,it&#039;ll be taxed between 20 and 60%.
then in the store there&#039;s a 21,5% tax on most items.
so basically 81% of one&#039;s wage goes to the governement.

60% of above is not that unusual.
Sweden,Norway,Finland; France, ... those countries also have similar tax formats.

Included in that is free education upto 18 years of age, and pension after 60.
Now the limit has been raised to 65.
Before one could argue, 80% tax for 40 years of living. An additional 40 years (if one is lucky), one gets provided by the state (20 years school, 20 years pension). But nowadays 18-65 is 47 years of working, paying upto 80% tax(70% on average), to get 18+15 years of benefits.
And what kind of benefits? The retired people hardly are able to pay back house rent.
House rent has skyrocketed from $4 per month in 1908, to $800 per month in 2008!

One no longer can set 20-30% of the wage aside for rent, it&#039;s getting closer to 50%.

Nowadays it&#039;s expected to have a partner and both work, unlike 20 years ago.


And you know what the biggest problem is?

People don&#039;t have enough money anymore to pay tithes!
In order to live, they need 100% of their wage!
In order to live happily they need 120% of their wage!

A house costs 30 years of paying back mortgage.
A car costs 2-5 years of mortgage.
Once you&#039;re over a car,and think you can start saving, kids come.
Once the diaper season is over, your car breaks down,and you need another car.
Unless you inherit a house from family, you won&#039;t make it in society. Rent will be all you can afford.
Whatever you have left is for paying food, clothes and medical bills.

I&#039;ve lived for 3 years, by the grace of God,without a car, renting a small one bedroom apartment.
I&#039;ve been able to save up 7.000 Euro&#039;s during that time; but not without risk.
Belgium is not a poor country. I consider the life standard higher than Florida USA.
But also the work and financial pressure is higher.

It is funny sometimes to hear Americans complain, when they haven&#039;t seen anything yet.
In other countries around the world things are far worse!
Look in China, where the employee has no rights; goes to work with no assurance he&#039;ll make it!

He may work in a mine, with the company not enough money to provide safe mining equipement, and for a very low wage.
He may work in a building company, with no safety lines. Many die a year falling from buildings. Yet the employee has little to no rights!

I had to work in chemical factories, with highly cancerous substances, and skin damaging toxic gasses.

If not for that factory, I would barely have been able to save only 2.000 on 3 years; and my dental appointment is coming soon!

Very occasional I could tithe every 6 months.

This is the situation USA is heading to, if it wants to stand up against Europe, economically speaking.

It&#039;s a downward spiral,where we&#039;ve reached the peak of the world&#039;s glitter and glamour, on the shoulders of our forefathers.

I believe this time is destined, and designed to shake the financial world, and a move of God to take people&#039;s eyes away from financial &#039;security&#039;.

Wise people save from the money they earn each paycheck.
This creates a buffer.
this buffer gives you a false sense of &#039;security&#039;; for where before one would cry out to God to help them, now paying a 5.000 fee for a second hand car is possible, and no real &#039;grace of God&#039; can be seen in it, for one thinks one has saved for many years that money for a purpose like this!

Many risks got involved. People payed things they did not know they could afford. And unfortunately it&#039;s getting back to them...
Like building a building, without first carefully calculating the basement, it will collapse.

But God is good, for in every disaster there is a solution, and God will provide a way (be it through a troubled time like starting all over again, but then with God!).

Job lost all his possessions. But his heart remained righteous to God. No guarantee God will give you back what you had before; might be better, or might not be &#039;better&#039; to your taste; but it will be more suited!

thanks for the article!, and sorry for the long response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting!<br />
A lot we don&#8217;t know about.<br />
I see the kingdom of God misses business men and women.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re not so bad in US. 16% taxes, a part on our wage, some on whatever we buy in the store. the total should be around 30-40% no?</p>
<p>In Belgium they have tax levels. High incomes are taxed higher than low incomes.<br />
Based on your income,it&#8217;ll be taxed between 20 and 60%.<br />
then in the store there&#8217;s a 21,5% tax on most items.<br />
so basically 81% of one&#8217;s wage goes to the governement.</p>
<p>60% of above is not that unusual.<br />
Sweden,Norway,Finland; France, &#8230; those countries also have similar tax formats.</p>
<p>Included in that is free education upto 18 years of age, and pension after 60.<br />
Now the limit has been raised to 65.<br />
Before one could argue, 80% tax for 40 years of living. An additional 40 years (if one is lucky), one gets provided by the state (20 years school, 20 years pension). But nowadays 18-65 is 47 years of working, paying upto 80% tax(70% on average), to get 18+15 years of benefits.<br />
And what kind of benefits? The retired people hardly are able to pay back house rent.<br />
House rent has skyrocketed from $4 per month in 1908, to $800 per month in 2008!</p>
<p>One no longer can set 20-30% of the wage aside for rent, it&#8217;s getting closer to 50%.</p>
<p>Nowadays it&#8217;s expected to have a partner and both work, unlike 20 years ago.</p>
<p>And you know what the biggest problem is?</p>
<p>People don&#8217;t have enough money anymore to pay tithes!<br />
In order to live, they need 100% of their wage!<br />
In order to live happily they need 120% of their wage!</p>
<p>A house costs 30 years of paying back mortgage.<br />
A car costs 2-5 years of mortgage.<br />
Once you&#8217;re over a car,and think you can start saving, kids come.<br />
Once the diaper season is over, your car breaks down,and you need another car.<br />
Unless you inherit a house from family, you won&#8217;t make it in society. Rent will be all you can afford.<br />
Whatever you have left is for paying food, clothes and medical bills.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived for 3 years, by the grace of God,without a car, renting a small one bedroom apartment.<br />
I&#8217;ve been able to save up 7.000 Euro&#8217;s during that time; but not without risk.<br />
Belgium is not a poor country. I consider the life standard higher than Florida USA.<br />
But also the work and financial pressure is higher.</p>
<p>It is funny sometimes to hear Americans complain, when they haven&#8217;t seen anything yet.<br />
In other countries around the world things are far worse!<br />
Look in China, where the employee has no rights; goes to work with no assurance he&#8217;ll make it!</p>
<p>He may work in a mine, with the company not enough money to provide safe mining equipement, and for a very low wage.<br />
He may work in a building company, with no safety lines. Many die a year falling from buildings. Yet the employee has little to no rights!</p>
<p>I had to work in chemical factories, with highly cancerous substances, and skin damaging toxic gasses.</p>
<p>If not for that factory, I would barely have been able to save only 2.000 on 3 years; and my dental appointment is coming soon!</p>
<p>Very occasional I could tithe every 6 months.</p>
<p>This is the situation USA is heading to, if it wants to stand up against Europe, economically speaking.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a downward spiral,where we&#8217;ve reached the peak of the world&#8217;s glitter and glamour, on the shoulders of our forefathers.</p>
<p>I believe this time is destined, and designed to shake the financial world, and a move of God to take people&#8217;s eyes away from financial &#8217;security&#8217;.</p>
<p>Wise people save from the money they earn each paycheck.<br />
This creates a buffer.<br />
this buffer gives you a false sense of &#8217;security&#8217;; for where before one would cry out to God to help them, now paying a 5.000 fee for a second hand car is possible, and no real &#8216;grace of God&#8217; can be seen in it, for one thinks one has saved for many years that money for a purpose like this!</p>
<p>Many risks got involved. People payed things they did not know they could afford. And unfortunately it&#8217;s getting back to them&#8230;<br />
Like building a building, without first carefully calculating the basement, it will collapse.</p>
<p>But God is good, for in every disaster there is a solution, and God will provide a way (be it through a troubled time like starting all over again, but then with God!).</p>
<p>Job lost all his possessions. But his heart remained righteous to God. No guarantee God will give you back what you had before; might be better, or might not be &#8216;better&#8217; to your taste; but it will be more suited!</p>
<p>thanks for the article!, and sorry for the long response.</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 23:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is quite informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is quite informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Germain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned Germain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 16:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article!!
 
I still can’t believe how far individual and corporate taxes have increased over the years. I remember when Benjamin Franklin said “it is only just and fair that an individual should give one tenth of all his earning back to his Government”.  In today time Governments are going for thirty to forty percent and I have see some go as high as 60%. 

Folks SOMETHING IS WRONG!!! I believe ninety percent of this problem is due to the manipulative banking system most of these countries have incorporate for their bodies, especially the United States with our Central banking i.e. FEDERAL RESERVE!! This Federal Reserve System which is not so federal and not regulated by our Federal Government  is robbing our Nation blind and causing all kind of chaos staring from our Taxation system, Housing Market and greatly affect our Stock Market  through their  FAKE CURRENCY SYSTEM. 

Our founding Fathers would be utterly shock at our current politicians and the lack of internal vigilant in our Federal Government today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article!!</p>
<p>I still can’t believe how far individual and corporate taxes have increased over the years. I remember when Benjamin Franklin said “it is only just and fair that an individual should give one tenth of all his earning back to his Government”.  In today time Governments are going for thirty to forty percent and I have see some go as high as 60%. </p>
<p>Folks SOMETHING IS WRONG!!! I believe ninety percent of this problem is due to the manipulative banking system most of these countries have incorporate for their bodies, especially the United States with our Central banking i.e. FEDERAL RESERVE!! This Federal Reserve System which is not so federal and not regulated by our Federal Government  is robbing our Nation blind and causing all kind of chaos staring from our Taxation system, Housing Market and greatly affect our Stock Market  through their  FAKE CURRENCY SYSTEM. </p>
<p>Our founding Fathers would be utterly shock at our current politicians and the lack of internal vigilant in our Federal Government today.</p>
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