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		<title>By: Berfanatinc</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasclark.com/blog/christian-culture/obama-youth-brigade-church-attendance-forbidden/comment-page-1/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Berfanatinc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 15:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ProDigit - Can you provide a link to the court case you mentioned earlier? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ProDigit &#8211; Can you provide a link to the court case you mentioned earlier? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: john donley</title>
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		<dc:creator>john donley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 16:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good work!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 11:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How stupid do people have to be to believe this drivel?  Anyone that works for the government(Federal, state or local) is prohibited from &quot;engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.&quot;  For them to do so would be an unconstitional endorsement of that religion.  I certainle wouldn&#039;t want Clark&#039;s narrow-minded views forced on me or my children no more than he would want my liberal views forced upon his family.  GET REAL people and start thinking for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How stupid do people have to be to believe this drivel?  Anyone that works for the government(Federal, state or local) is prohibited from &#8220;engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.&#8221;  For them to do so would be an unconstitional endorsement of that religion.  I certainle wouldn&#8217;t want Clark&#8217;s narrow-minded views forced on me or my children no more than he would want my liberal views forced upon his family.  GET REAL people and start thinking for yourself.</p>
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		<title>By: ProDigit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProDigit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 01:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure those guys get offduty and are allowed to go to any church they want to!
Even the army didn&#039;t restrict people from going to church or to the supermarket AFTER HOURS; so why should youth brigade?

But I think it&#039;s not more than common not to while on duty. I mean, if you work for Intel, GM, Ford, or Mc Donalds, you probably won&#039;t get payed going to church neither!

I don&#039;t think people who are receiving foodstamps and are forced to do community hours, that they would allow those hours to be done working for a church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure those guys get offduty and are allowed to go to any church they want to!<br />
Even the army didn&#8217;t restrict people from going to church or to the supermarket AFTER HOURS; so why should youth brigade?</p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s not more than common not to while on duty. I mean, if you work for Intel, GM, Ford, or Mc Donalds, you probably won&#8217;t get payed going to church neither!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think people who are receiving foodstamps and are forced to do community hours, that they would allow those hours to be done working for a church.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I JUST CHECKED THE FACTS and went to factcheck.org.


FACT #1: The Annenberg Foundation which founded factcheck.org, has questionable ties to Obama, so how trustworthy are they as a source? Factcheck.org is used as a resource to “debunk” negative coverage of Obama,


FACT #2: I went to the link &quot;chasger&quot; suggested, obviously he didn&#039;t read it, so I did. 

GO TO...

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h1388eh.txt.pdf


Then go to page 98 and READ line #20. The language is there loud and clear, again, IT IS THERE!


Sometimes it just helps to read, doesn&#039;t it?&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

AND THEY DON&#039;T DENY THAT THIS LANGUAGE ISN&#039;T IN THE BILL. Here&#039;s the text copied from factcheck.org:&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Thou Shalt Not Attend Church&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

Even though it would be an incredibly draconian law – and a clear violation of the First Amendment right to freedom of religion, upon which this country was founded – Internet postings still claim that under this bill &quot;church attendance [is] forbidden.&quot;&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

The postings, which repeat commentary by the Jonas Clark Ministries, point to section 125, which lists &quot;prohibited activities and ineligible organizations.&quot; The section says that those working in national service positions can&#039;t engage in partisan politics, union activities or religious instruction. And the language mirrors what AmeriCorps and Senior Corps tell their members about what they can&#039;t do while working for those programs.&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;

Specifically, the bill says those in national service positions can&#039;t: attempt to &quot;influence legislation&quot;; organize &quot;protests, petitions, boycotts or strikes&quot;; promote &quot;union organizing; engage in &quot;partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office&quot;; and engage in &quot;religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.&quot; That&#039;s the House&#039;s language, and the wording in the Senate version is nearly identical. The Senate is perhaps more clear in saying &quot;[a]n approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for&quot; all of these activities. In other words, public service activities can&#039;t include anything overtly religious or political. And this is nothing new.&lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;Nothing new? This radicalism and facism and unamerican... &lt;code&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/code&gt;Keep telling the truth Jonas. We the people will voice our voices, because we still count.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I JUST CHECKED THE FACTS and went to factcheck.org.</p>
<p>FACT #1: The Annenberg Foundation which founded factcheck.org, has questionable ties to Obama, so how trustworthy are they as a source? Factcheck.org is used as a resource to “debunk” negative coverage of Obama,</p>
<p>FACT #2: I went to the link &#8220;chasger&#8221; suggested, obviously he didn&#8217;t read it, so I did. </p>
<p>GO TO&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h1388eh.txt.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&amp;docid=f:h1388eh.txt.pdf</a></p>
<p>Then go to page 98 and READ line #20. The language is there loud and clear, again, IT IS THERE!</p>
<p>Sometimes it just helps to read, doesn&#8217;t it?<code></p>
<p></code></p>
<p>AND THEY DON&#8217;T DENY THAT THIS LANGUAGE ISN&#8217;T IN THE BILL. Here&#8217;s the text copied from factcheck.org:<code></p>
<p></code></p>
<p><strong>Thou Shalt Not Attend Church</strong><code></p>
<p></code></p>
<p>Even though it would be an incredibly draconian law – and a clear violation of the First Amendment right to freedom of religion, upon which this country was founded – Internet postings still claim that under this bill &#8220;church attendance [is] forbidden.&#8221;<code></p>
<p></code></p>
<p>The postings, which repeat commentary by the Jonas Clark Ministries, point to section 125, which lists &#8220;prohibited activities and ineligible organizations.&#8221; The section says that those working in national service positions can&#8217;t engage in partisan politics, union activities or religious instruction. And the language mirrors what AmeriCorps and Senior Corps tell their members about what they can&#8217;t do while working for those programs.<code></p>
<p></code></p>
<p>Specifically, the bill says those in national service positions can&#8217;t: attempt to &#8220;influence legislation&#8221;; organize &#8220;protests, petitions, boycotts or strikes&#8221;; promote &#8220;union organizing; engage in &#8220;partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office&#8221;; and engage in &#8220;religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.&#8221; That&#8217;s the House&#8217;s language, and the wording in the Senate version is nearly identical. The Senate is perhaps more clear in saying &#8220;[a]n approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for&#8221; all of these activities. In other words, public service activities can&#8217;t include anything overtly religious or political. And this is nothing new.<code></p>
<p></code>Nothing new? This radicalism and facism and unamerican&#8230; <code></p>
<p></code>Keep telling the truth Jonas. We the people will voice our voices, because we still count.</p>
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		<title>By: chasger</title>
		<link>http://www.jonasclark.com/blog/christian-culture/obama-youth-brigade-church-attendance-forbidden/comment-page-1/#comment-296</link>
		<dc:creator>chasger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You clowns. Why don&#039;t you get the facts. 
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_congress_creating_a_mandatory_public_service.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You clowns. Why don&#8217;t you get the facts.<br />
<a href="http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_congress_creating_a_mandatory_public_service.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/is_congress_creating_a_mandatory_public_service.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: NeoRedpill</title>
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		<dc:creator>NeoRedpill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s make it clear what the section you mention does and does not do. Nothing in the bill would prevent those in such voluntary service from attending religious services. Under this bill, the federal government would provide financing for these volunteer programs. To avoid the Church-State constitutional issues that could handcuff this program, the bill simply states that programs sponsored by the government under this bill will not be religious in nature. The government cannot constitutionally fund programs that provide religious instruction or proselytizing, and that is all the section seeks to prevent. No one&#039;s religious liberty is imperiled here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s make it clear what the section you mention does and does not do. Nothing in the bill would prevent those in such voluntary service from attending religious services. Under this bill, the federal government would provide financing for these volunteer programs. To avoid the Church-State constitutional issues that could handcuff this program, the bill simply states that programs sponsored by the government under this bill will not be religious in nature. The government cannot constitutionally fund programs that provide religious instruction or proselytizing, and that is all the section seeks to prevent. No one&#8217;s religious liberty is imperiled here.</p>
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		<title>By: ProDigit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ProDigit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,it&#039;s in everyone&#039;s right to question what is said, even in the synagogue when a message was spoken it was advised for the people to search the scriptures to see if what was said was true!
And to keep the good, and reject that which seems wrong.
The authority and right of every believer!

However, I am glad, even if the info seemed to be wrong, that Jonas is sharing whatever he understands with us. It should remind us never to believe every word spoken, but investigate for ourselves. And though it&#039;s good to point out mistakes or misunderstandings, I think it is wrong to talk bad about the person who did make the mistake.
But in a careful and loving way you can reach much further!

I am glad Jonas brought this topic to my attention; something which otherwise would just never reach my (and many other&#039;s) ears.

I&#039;d encourage everyone to keep on researching, and though some information might be wrong, to still respect the person, despite!

I&#039;m sure if you read Jonas&#039; other messages, many would be blessed by what he has to say!

And remember, keep the good, but don&#039;t spend too much time on the bad! Focusing on the bad is making that bad a reality. Instead, grasp the good!

As soon as the wrong has been pointed out, Philippians 4:8-9 teaches us to do so!
&quot;Phil 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,it&#8217;s in everyone&#8217;s right to question what is said, even in the synagogue when a message was spoken it was advised for the people to search the scriptures to see if what was said was true!<br />
And to keep the good, and reject that which seems wrong.<br />
The authority and right of every believer!</p>
<p>However, I am glad, even if the info seemed to be wrong, that Jonas is sharing whatever he understands with us. It should remind us never to believe every word spoken, but investigate for ourselves. And though it&#8217;s good to point out mistakes or misunderstandings, I think it is wrong to talk bad about the person who did make the mistake.<br />
But in a careful and loving way you can reach much further!</p>
<p>I am glad Jonas brought this topic to my attention; something which otherwise would just never reach my (and many other&#8217;s) ears.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d encourage everyone to keep on researching, and though some information might be wrong, to still respect the person, despite!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if you read Jonas&#8217; other messages, many would be blessed by what he has to say!</p>
<p>And remember, keep the good, but don&#8217;t spend too much time on the bad! Focusing on the bad is making that bad a reality. Instead, grasp the good!</p>
<p>As soon as the wrong has been pointed out, Philippians 4:8-9 teaches us to do so!<br />
&#8220;Phil 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;No Church For You!&#8221; &#171; Catholic Sensibility</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#8220;No Church For You!&#8221; &#171; Catholic Sensibility</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] His commentariat doesn&#8217;t seem to buy the lie. Sensible folk. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] His commentariat doesn&#8217;t seem to buy the lie. Sensible folk. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story has hit the Catholic internet too. If a person represents the US in any official way, I sure wouldn&#039;t want them proselytizing on &quot;company&quot; time.

First, there&#039;s nothing in this bill prohibiting church attendance. Nothing. It&#039;s an outright lie, and likely, a serious sin against the commandment forbidding false witness.

Second, as a parent of a Christian, I would not want my young adult daughter or son influenced by others promoting a religion different from that of our family. I feel sure that if service volunteers in Rev Clark&#039;s neighborhood were encouraging his children to consider Wicca, there would be great outcry. And justly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story has hit the Catholic internet too. If a person represents the US in any official way, I sure wouldn&#8217;t want them proselytizing on &#8220;company&#8221; time.</p>
<p>First, there&#8217;s nothing in this bill prohibiting church attendance. Nothing. It&#8217;s an outright lie, and likely, a serious sin against the commandment forbidding false witness.</p>
<p>Second, as a parent of a Christian, I would not want my young adult daughter or son influenced by others promoting a religion different from that of our family. I feel sure that if service volunteers in Rev Clark&#8217;s neighborhood were encouraging his children to consider Wicca, there would be great outcry. And justly so.</p>
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