Obama Youth Brigade: Church Attendance Forbidden

Is this the change you really voted for? President Obama has only been in office for 2 months. Now we have HR1388. The Bill was sponsored by Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) with 37 others. The Bill was introduced to the floor of the House of Representatives where both Republicans and Democrats voted 321-105 in favor. Next it goes to the Senate for a vote and then on to President Obama.

This bill’s title is called “Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education” (GIVE). It forms what some are calling “Obama’s Youth Brigade.” Obama’s plan is require anyone receiving school loans and others to serve at least three months as part of the brigade. His goal is one million youth! This has serious Nazi Germany overtones to it.

The Bill would forbid any student in the brigade to participate in “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” That means no church attendance or witnessing.

Again, is this what America voted for? Here is part of the HR1388 Bill’s wording:

SEC. 1304. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

Section 125 (42 U.S.C. 12575) is amended to read as follows:

SEC. 125. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

(a) Prohibited Activities- A participant in an approved national service position under this subtitle may not engage in the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.
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Update: April 1st, 2009.

In the GIVE legislation, SEC. 1304. Section 125 was repealed in it’s entirety from the bill. People who opposed the restrictions on church attendance rejoiced. However, closer examination reveals that all of the original wording was inserted further down in the bill in SEC. 1310 SEC 132A in it’s entirety with the addition of even one more prohibited activity.

(As stated above, the original wording was inserted further down in the bill in SEC. 1310 SEC 132A in it’s entirety with the addition of even one more prohibited activity…see below)

SEC. 1310. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.
Subtitle C of title I (42 U.S.C. 12571 et seq.) is amended by inserting after section 132 the following:

‘SEC. 132A. PROHIBITED ACTIVITIES AND INELIGIBLE ORGANIZATIONS.

‘(a) Prohibited Activities- An approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for the following activities:

(1) Attempting to influence legislation.

(2) Organizing or engaging in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes.

(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of proselytization, consistent with section 132.

(10) Conducting a voter registration drive or using Corporation funds to conduct a voter registration drive.

(11) Carrying out such other activities as the Corporation may prohibit.

Comments

  1. Scott Husk says:

    Thanks Jonas! I was not aware of that issue. I agree that it definitely has Nazi overtones. The real Barack Obama is showing himself very quickly now that he is in office. We will see even bolder things than this to come.

  2. Try as I might, I cannot find the part where “church attendance is forbidden.”
    I’d think you’d be glad of the parts that prohibit, for example, attempts at conversion of the youth to islam.
    The worst part of this very bad bill is the whole “Youth Brigade” idea, not the protections against forced religious conversion.

  3. ProDigit says:

    Strange, yesterday I saw for the first time the video of obama (the youtube video you posted previously), and I had a dream!

    In it there was someone (I believe an angel of God) telling me this message:
    “USA will not fall because of Eliezer’s prayer surrounding it”.
    Now, I haven’t heard that name for over 20 years when I was a 5 years old kid and my mom used to read from the childeren bible to me.
    I don’t even know what Eliezer meant, or who he was, so a quick look showed that Eliezer was a son of Mozes, and his name meant “God is my helper”; Eli=God, and Ezer means helper.

    I went to bed thinking that there’s nothing that happens without God knowing about. The movie promotes that not Obama is in power, but the federal bank is. But I believe there’s someone greater than the federal bank that still stands guard over them, and that can cancel their money or plans in an instant if He wanted to!
    God has always showed Himself strong, and it does not matter what you throw at Him. A war with soldiers, planes, boats, political war, or economical war, God can win them all, for He is above them all, even if there are some very clever people on this planet!

    It does not matter if a man acquired 100billion of dollars, it is here today, and tomorrow it can be gone!
    But above all, my hope and peace comes from God.
    Another thing I came to realize is: Imagine IF things will become the worst way possible, they still will be no worse then some African nations!
    For here we have the roads, the knowledge to do free trade, and commerce, and to build things, and we have some resources to do so!
    Unlike in Africa where apart from mining most of the land is dry land.

  4. ProDigit says:

    Another thing I noted the Bible says in 2Ch 20:35 :

    Later, Jehoshaphat king of Judah made an alliance with Ahaziah king of Israel, who was guilty of wickedness. 36 He agreed with him to construct a fleet of trading ships. After these were built at Ezion Geber, 37 Eliezer son of Dodavahu of Mareshah prophesied against Jehoshaphat, saying, “Because you have made an alliance with Ahaziah, the Lord will destroy what you have made.” The ships were wrecked and were not able to set sail to trade.

    But I don’t know if this bible verse is connected to what God allowed me to hear in my dream.

  5. Fearmongering does not help your cause.
    tsk tsk……………..HR 1388 seems to follow pretty much the same language as ANY federal funding, which disallows proselytizing and diversion for religious use.

    Service Learning is a wonderful school-based program that promotes youth working in their communities – this has NO correlation to their church attendance or what religion they might be. Americorp, which will be the fund manager for the GIVE program, is a marvelous organization that promotes many community causes in schools and communities.

    It’s shameful for you to promote this type of fear amongst good, Christian folk (which I try to be.)

    The summary of this program, which I quote, is:
    The Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education (GIVE) Act would dramatically increase funding for AmeriCorps and other volunteer programs, including those for seniors and veterans. It also establishes a goal of expanding from 75,000 government-supported volunteers to 250,000, and would increase education funding and establish a summer service program for students, paying $500 (which would be applied to college costs) to high-school and middle-school student who participate.

    In its current form, the legislation does not include a mandate requiring service.
    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h1388/show

    Sounds pretty good to me.

  6. Although I agree with some of the previous comments left regarding nothing happening that God is not aware of, I do not believe it absolves us of our responsibility to let our elected officials and representatives know that we disagree with this bill and why. Aside from the infringement on religous rights, does this not seem to infringe on our right to gather peacefully as well as our right to participate in how we are governed? I would like to see the bill in its entirety but I have grave concerns about the portions I’ve seen already!

  7. The bill is available, in its entirety, on the web………..there is no infringement on an individual’s religious rights – it does, however, state that the use of funding cannot be diverted for religious worship, proselytizing, or promotion of religion. This is COMMON language for federal funding – it’s called SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. This bill does NOT disallow a person from going to church, from being a particular religion, or from mentioning God. It DOES prohibit these federal dollars from begin diverted for religious use.
    Mr. Clark should read and learn about federal funding before blowing this up.

  8. ProDigit says:

    Well, for the first time this week, I saw a court actually had to get a policeofficer tell the law, because the judge wasn’t willing to admit that a lady who comitted bestiality had to be jailed.

    in the courtroom, an animal doctor used reasons that the animal was not been hurt in the process. And the lady said she took good care of the animal, lacking nothing.
    Normally the judge would read the sentence from the law, but because the judge could not decide they led in a police officer who needed to officially announce that bestiality is not permitted by the law, because the animal does not have enough sense to know what it is doing.

    The lady was jailed for what she did, and we could see in her face she was going to appeal;
    I think we’re not far off a court issue where the very law of bestiality will be challenged…

    There are a lot of perverse, and bad laws already been granted; and I truly hope we’ll not get into a time where not only gay marriage, and abortion are allowed, but where also bestiality will be practiced.

    Could you think of any step lower than this?
    ‘Divorce’ for other reasons than adultery is already too far off biblical speaking.

    I remember 20 years ago people would be punished for sticking gum under their chairs in the classroom.
    Now people commit crimes that are not been punished. There’s just no space for them to be jailed.
    And often the jail isn’t the solution. Often jailed people breed their thoughts there, instead of leaving and repenting of them.

    Jail is supposed to be a period of grace for people to get their acts together, and think upon what they’ve done, so that they can come back in society improved, and better then before!
    People who refuse to repent could also be held there, until they no longer are a threat for society.
    Unfortunately Jail nowadays seems like a gathering place of those who have committed evil crimes, and often they encourage and give eachother ideas there for when they go free…

  9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpEnFwiqdx8

    = something else interesting!

    We’re living in exponential times!

  10. Why do so many people especially hates Obama? Revelation speaks many things will happen at the end of this world. To have a Black president for the first time in USA history, people cannot bring themselves to calling a Black male, PRESIDENT. Religion needs to stay out of it. What people should be saying is yes this may start the Armageddon, but the church should be happy that sooner rather than later we are going home to be with the Lord. Preach Jesus died on the Cross and hell is awaiting those who hate on others. Republicans had no one but deceptions this time around so they need to get a handle on themselves. I think you read in this too much. God bless and lets pray for others, Americans are far more Blessed than our African nation, so they need something to focus back on Jesus.

  11. This story is being circulated all over the church.
    Here’s the problem: READ THE BILL!
    None of this stuff is true.
    Our young people need to trust what
    they are told by ADULTS. There are plenty of problems
    with Obama’s policies without making them up.
    Know the truth, tell the truth.

  12. This story has hit the Catholic internet too. If a person represents the US in any official way, I sure wouldn’t want them proselytizing on “company” time.

    First, there’s nothing in this bill prohibiting church attendance. Nothing. It’s an outright lie, and likely, a serious sin against the commandment forbidding false witness.

    Second, as a parent of a Christian, I would not want my young adult daughter or son influenced by others promoting a religion different from that of our family. I feel sure that if service volunteers in Rev Clark’s neighborhood were encouraging his children to consider Wicca, there would be great outcry. And justly so.

  13. ProDigit says:

    Well,it’s in everyone’s right to question what is said, even in the synagogue when a message was spoken it was advised for the people to search the scriptures to see if what was said was true!
    And to keep the good, and reject that which seems wrong.
    The authority and right of every believer!

    However, I am glad, even if the info seemed to be wrong, that Jonas is sharing whatever he understands with us. It should remind us never to believe every word spoken, but investigate for ourselves. And though it’s good to point out mistakes or misunderstandings, I think it is wrong to talk bad about the person who did make the mistake.
    But in a careful and loving way you can reach much further!

    I am glad Jonas brought this topic to my attention; something which otherwise would just never reach my (and many other’s) ears.

    I’d encourage everyone to keep on researching, and though some information might be wrong, to still respect the person, despite!

    I’m sure if you read Jonas’ other messages, many would be blessed by what he has to say!

    And remember, keep the good, but don’t spend too much time on the bad! Focusing on the bad is making that bad a reality. Instead, grasp the good!

    As soon as the wrong has been pointed out, Philippians 4:8-9 teaches us to do so!
    “Phil 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things. 9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.”

  14. NeoRedpill says:

    Let’s make it clear what the section you mention does and does not do. Nothing in the bill would prevent those in such voluntary service from attending religious services. Under this bill, the federal government would provide financing for these volunteer programs. To avoid the Church-State constitutional issues that could handcuff this program, the bill simply states that programs sponsored by the government under this bill will not be religious in nature. The government cannot constitutionally fund programs that provide religious instruction or proselytizing, and that is all the section seeks to prevent. No one’s religious liberty is imperiled here.

  15. I JUST CHECKED THE FACTS and went to factcheck.org.

    FACT #1: The Annenberg Foundation which founded factcheck.org, has questionable ties to Obama, so how trustworthy are they as a source? Factcheck.org is used as a resource to “debunk” negative coverage of Obama,

    FACT #2: I went to the link “chasger” suggested, obviously he didn’t read it, so I did.

    GO TO…

    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:h1388eh.txt.pdf

    Then go to page 98 and READ line #20. The language is there loud and clear, again, IT IS THERE!

    Sometimes it just helps to read, doesn’t it?

    AND THEY DON’T DENY THAT THIS LANGUAGE ISN’T IN THE BILL. Here’s the text copied from factcheck.org:

    Thou Shalt Not Attend Church

    Even though it would be an incredibly draconian law – and a clear violation of the First Amendment right to freedom of religion, upon which this country was founded – Internet postings still claim that under this bill “church attendance [is] forbidden.”

    The postings, which repeat commentary by the Jonas Clark Ministries, point to section 125, which lists “prohibited activities and ineligible organizations.” The section says that those working in national service positions can’t engage in partisan politics, union activities or religious instruction. And the language mirrors what AmeriCorps and Senior Corps tell their members about what they can’t do while working for those programs.

    Specifically, the bill says those in national service positions can’t: attempt to “influence legislation”; organize “protests, petitions, boycotts or strikes”; promote “union organizing; engage in “partisan political activities, or other activities designed to influence the outcome of an election to any public office”; and engage in “religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” That’s the House’s language, and the wording in the Senate version is nearly identical. The Senate is perhaps more clear in saying “[a]n approved national service position under this subtitle may not be used for” all of these activities. In other words, public service activities can’t include anything overtly religious or political. And this is nothing new.

    Nothing new? This radicalism and facism and unamerican…

    Keep telling the truth Jonas. We the people will voice our voices, because we still count.

  16. ProDigit says:

    I’m sure those guys get offduty and are allowed to go to any church they want to!
    Even the army didn’t restrict people from going to church or to the supermarket AFTER HOURS; so why should youth brigade?

    But I think it’s not more than common not to while on duty. I mean, if you work for Intel, GM, Ford, or Mc Donalds, you probably won’t get payed going to church neither!

    I don’t think people who are receiving foodstamps and are forced to do community hours, that they would allow those hours to be done working for a church.

  17. How stupid do people have to be to believe this drivel? Anyone that works for the government(Federal, state or local) is prohibited from “engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.” For them to do so would be an unconstitional endorsement of that religion. I certainle wouldn’t want Clark’s narrow-minded views forced on me or my children no more than he would want my liberal views forced upon his family. GET REAL people and start thinking for yourself.

  18. good work!

  19. Berfanatinc says:

    ProDigit – Can you provide a link to the court case you mentioned earlier? Thanks!

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